>> i did read a few beads that the president addressed skeptics of his plan. i am pointing out that at least yesterday afternoon, but reception among many of the stories i had read is that the president had addressed skeptics. . to the extent that there ever not as many of those folks present as we have seen in other town hall meetings, people who have legitimate concerns, is there anything that you can do going forward as you approach these town hall meetings to get an audience that is more representative of divergent views? >> i do not know how many questions the president of yesterday. i would say eight. at least the last two -- the

republican is one of those two. there was the gentlemen -- i think the third question about medicaid and lipitor. again, that is at least three of the eight questions that were in some way skeptical. i am not assuming that the audience was not in some ways represented. i sensed his appointment that he did not get yelled at. i think there were a number of people that have concerns and wanted to ask the president directly. i think we will continue to pick people randomly to come to town hall meetings. they will raise their hand. >> the tickets go through

elected officials. >> i think bill tolld you. would you consider an attempt to have a more open debate, for simple, giving to a republican congressman. >> the president feels very comfortable with the five that he is having a representative discussion despite people's disappointment that he was not yelled at. >> if you look at the protest that we saw outside of the building yesterday as a continuum from of the tea parties and the controversy over the birth certificate, you look back at that -- >> i have to admit that i did not go in the front door.

i do not doubt that. i did not seek the sample and the signs. >> this is a president who campaigned on the notion that we could get beyond partisan warfare, the ugly partisan warfare of the past 16 years, and there could be rational discussion that could bring parties together. i wonder what happened to that. why did that not materialize? >> taunton, again, but -- jonathan, i do not know if you were outside or inside. i think there was a rational discussion about issues not based on ideology or party inside the town hall meeting. it is not for me -- i cannot tell you why somebody believes, despite all preponderant of the

evidence of the president was born ihere and not somewhere else. i will stop trying to explain that. i did see a poll but showed 8% of people did not know whether collier was a state -- did not know whether a hawaii was a state. >> those who identify themselves as feeling very negative toward this president. it is 25%. it seems that there is an emergence of -- >> you said white-collar? >> those who identify themselves as white collar workers. there seems to be an emergence of people who very strongly feel negatively. at the inauguration, it was only 6% who said that.

>> i do not think the president ever believed that all the people would agree with him all of the time, or even that all the people would agree with him the majority of the time. i think you can have the effort to talk about issues differently, to disagree on issues without being disagreeable. to have those types of discussions. to talk about how we deal with issues that have not been confronted four yearr years. you'll still launch a 100% of the people all the time. he will not get the most of the people all the time. the president will continue to reach out to republicans and democrats for ideas, both in washington and outside of washington. continue to find a way to bridge the differences we have antsy common-sense solutions. -- and seek common-sense

solutions through that is what he has tried to do since he has come to office. >> what individuals or groups do you think are the biggest purveyors of the disinformation you keep mentioning? >> look, i think you have seen certain elected officials give out information that is wrong. sarah palin gave out information that i think many of you pointed out was wrong just on friday. that is one. there are countless others. fair enough. i promoted her, i guess, to the current alaska's governor rather than former. i watched tv. you watch different groups that are coming to these meetings. they are saying stuff that just is not true.

the president will continue to try to address that. i think he thinks that is a positive thing. people that want to make an informed decision will have all the information they need. >> to what extent does he help to lower the temperature of the debate by doing what he did yesterday and going out again in the west? >> i do not know if it is lowering the temperature. i think it is just a way of discussing this and understanding that if you agree or not, people have questions and the president is happy to answer those questions. he has always seen this as a way of doing that. the president came into office understanding and believeing

that whether people agree with you or not, she thinks it is important to say here's what i am making the decisions in making -- he thinks it is important to say here is what i am making the decisions i am making. here's why it is important for our long-term economic growth. i think he believes that type of continued dialogue with the american people is tremendously important. >> it has been reported that the executive compensation proposals will be made public at some point, but done in a way that preserves the privacy of the individuals at those firms. >> i do not know. i think jeff's question was -- were the proposals that were handed in by the deadline of friday, were those going to be made public? i said i doubted that. you should check with treasury

on the specifics. trace: that is robert gibbs at the white house briefing. he has been hammered on health care questions. the white house correspondent robert gibbs said he thought the president of the audience was a representative and he said the president is having a representative discussion. he went on to say, despite the attack the media is disappointed but there was no more yelling. he called that a cable news could fight. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- trace: we will be getting a lot more of health care. this is "live desk." julie: it'll be interesting. trace: we have our eyes on town

hall events across the country. two are about to get under way. maryland democratic senator cardin is holding one. david lee miller, what are we expecting? >> we expect to see a great deal more of the same. it does seem that they will launch down the level of intensity. this town hall meeting with the congressman was supposed to begin at 1:00 p.m. at a different location. at the last minute, they changed the location because the room was too small. the move did about 1 mile away to a public school. they expect the town hall meeting to get underway in 15 minutes. i'm joined by two local residents. both of them are retired. both of them came here today because they feel very strongly about health care reform, but

they disagree about how to go about it. you said you were accused by some one here today of being a plant. what happened? >> i was shocked. because i had a sign that says support health-care reform, one person said did they pay you $20? i said absolutely not. i live here. this is my district. this is my congressman. i support obama. >> that is the message you want to deliver your today. john, did any group bring you here today? >> i am here on my own. i agree that we need health care reform. if there's a lot of misinformation. medicare needs to be reformed. let's take a look at the medicare fraud.

when a brand-name drug patent is over, a generic drug is about to come in. however, the cost of producing it is 80% to 90% less than we pay of the counterbid is because a lobbyists of those drug costs are so high. we must reform medicare first before we take a look at the national health-care reform. >> thank you very much could i know you want to get inside and make sure you have good seats for the town hall meeting. it will get underway in 50 minutes. so far, so good. it looks like everybody will keep everything on their lunch tray. trace: david lee miller, thank you. we will bring that to you as the town hall meetings continued through the u.s. chamber of commerce is putting out this advertisement. >> washington's latest health reform idea, or $1 trillion health plan and a government run

public options with big tax increases. trace: world's largest business federation 29 some serious issues, the cost of the plan and a ballooning deficit. a senior manager of health-care policy of the u.s. chamber of commerce. we just watched robert gibbs at the press briefing. the president has said over and over that this will be deficit neutral, that this health care plan will help small businesses. the u.s. chamber of commerce does not buy that. why? >> there's a lot of disinformation given out by the white house. when they said this plan is paid for, that is not true. you can ask the congressional budget office. after the first 10 years, the deficit balloons. the white house also says people will not lose their coverage.

that is not true. asked the congressional budget office. asked outside consultants. trace: the president maintains that date will -- they will cut savings from within. this will be dubbed as a neutral. they will find the savings within the programs themselves. trace: i find your trust for the president interesting could live with a cut programs when they have already passed legislation? the congressional budget office is a nonpartisan groups. the director was appointed by democrats. he is a democrat. they found this bill raises health care costs. it raises the deficit. it does not solve the problem. trace: we are just telling you what the president says about these plans. all across this country, we hear about small businesses modine and groaning about health care in this country.

you say this is the wrong prescription. >> health-care reform should not cost $1 trillion. nobody thinks that pre-existing conditions are good thing. even the insurance companies in the chamber of commerce agreed there should be no more pre- existing conditions. every time the president brings that up, it is a distraction. we should be focused on health care reform that increases the effectiveness and quality and lower cost. the house bill does not do that trace:. -- the house bill does not. . trace: thank you. julie: police in london are making an arrest in one of the biggest deal heist in great britain history. armed robbers getting away with $65 million worth of jewelry. today's post does not include the two armed robbers who held up a store in london. police are hoping these surveillance pictures help catch the duo.

police also released amateur sulfone video. we will show it to you later this hour. trace: fox news exclusive out of afghanistan. u.s. marines and forces launch an operation to flush out taliban forces in the volatile southern part of the country. the goal is to secure the area ahead of presidential elections later this month. they're one week from tomorrow. in the northern section of the helmond province, greg palkot. >> we are reporting from the town of dahaneh. it is relatively quiet at this moment. earlier it was very noisy. take a look and take a listen.

this mission is called operation eastern results. the aim is to clear the taliban from this town. i can speak from my own experience. from what we saw today, the taliban does not want to go. small arms, mortar fire, and even an ied that had to be defused in front of our vehicles. a lot of close calls today for the marines and maybe even for us. no u.s. casualties today. on the other side, according to the captain on the ground, he says there have been taliban deaths. they have been hit by even stronger weaponry from the u.s. marines, missiles, and it airdropped bomb. the locals have been huddling inside of their homes in this village of two thousand people. we are told that the taliban is

victimizing them. we are told they would welcome a change in government, a change in security in this town. we will save. in the meantime, there's trouble all around. the bad guys are nearby and the fight continues. trace: with us now is fox news military analyst, lieutenant colonel north. the national security adviser reportedly told the pentagon in june -- the president is done sending troops into afghanistan. now it seems as if general stanley mcchrystal once more troops. >> he will need more troops. what has happened is they are now going into areas where the taliban has been in control since 2002. if you are going to provide the kind of protection and security that is necessary to defeat the taliban, it you need more u.s.

combat forces, more traders, and a lot more afghans need to be trained. a lot of this -- that footage you just saw was designed to make sure that the elections can take place next week. look for a major offensive after the election to push it even further off of the country. trace: when you say more troops, are we talking about an iraq- style surge? >> yes. you have had part of that take place. even before general mcchrystal got there, there was a surge. we had one marine rifle company last country and now you have 40 marines, sailors, and doctors, and afghan army soldiers.

and a lot more air support that we had one year ago today pretty will have to have more american forces on the ground. as well as a lot more air support. the kind of surveillance that they do not have right now that they desperately need. trace: i wanted your sense on whether or not the taliban is gaining the upper hand in afghanistan. we know the economy is a mess. the taliban is recruiting fighters because they are paying them. there's very little power outside of kabul. is the taliban gaining the upper hand in afghanistan? >> i do not see them getting the upper hand. there's no doubt that the taliban is supported entirely by the heroin operations. it has got to be stopped. if you're going to win the war against the taliban, you have to win the war against the illegal narcotics. some of that operation is

ongoing. you have to defund the taliban. trace: thank you. the sure to touch this weekend's edition of "war stories." check your local listings for times on that. julie: ever wonder how much time you worked each year just to pay off the cost of running the government? it is getting a lot longer. how much more, and the main reason why. and a culture-year-old boy springs into action when his grandfather get hurt. julie: what happened to ron paul that day? we will tell you, next.

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-- eunice kennedy shriver. in bottom box, nypd divers are back in the hudson river polling 20 pieces of wreckage from the crash site where small plane collided with the helicopter. nine people and all were killed in the disaster. trace: new information on one of the biggest jewelry heist in british history. cameras catch these sharp dressed men. they were in the store for two minutes. police say they left with $65 million in gems. this is cellphone video. you can see the suspect calmly walking out with an apparent hostage, possibly to ensure the getaway. michelle clifford, we are

hearing about the arrest. >> yes, today police arrested a 50-year-old man. that amateur footage, which was taken just down the road. they were following a number of lines of inquiries. they arrested this 50-romance. he has been arrestereleased on . that would lead us to believe he is not one of the two robbers inside the jewelry store. there were possibly more been involved in the getaway. one of the astonishing things is that the men did not seem to make any attempt to disguise themselves.

some in the police force said it is possible that they used a very advanced prosthetics and were disguised. they are leaning more toward the notion that these were men who did not care about getting recognized because they burgoyne to escape the country very quickly. -- because they burn going to escape the country. trace: the video is incredible. they did not seem to disguise their faces. what kind of jewelry are talking about? >> there is a range. they took 43 separate items. it was around $65 million. 43 items. these are highly cigna to get items. we're talking about ear rings, watches, necklaces. i spoke to one individual who is involved in the recovery. the necklace he looked at he said would be worth 150,000

pounds. the police have released pictures of the items. we have not been given the strict value. i think the real worry is that these items are already out of the country. in 2003 when the jewelry store was last abroad, they found some of the items in america. the fear is that if they're out of the country, they might be put into hiding for a number of years. some of the items may also be altered so they are not recognized by legitimate dealers. trace: michelle clifford, thank you. julie: if no one has wish you a happy cost of the government day, let us be the first. it is the day when the average worker is finished paying off his or her share of running the government. the day is courtesy of the americans for tax reform foundation and the center for fiscal accountability. this year, it is today, august

12, nearly one month later than last year. the cost of government is consuming more than 61% of national income. why is it so expensive? that group sites big budgets, bailouts, cap and trade cost, and medicine. lawmakers are getting an earful from constituents. let's take you to maryland where senator cardin is holding this town hall meeting. 50+ advantage... has gingko for memory and concentration. plus support for heart health. that's a great call. one a day men's.

trace: we have a brand new information on three big stories. first, to the north lawn of the white house, wendell goler and the president tried to distance himself from the canadian health-care plan. >> the president says his critics are using the canada health care system as a bogeyman. we spoke to some experts that

say canada is moving toward the u.s. with more and more health care services available on the private market to those who can afford it. trace: now a very interesting possible link between obesity and h1n1. >> doctors here at the university of michigan said the obese population is not more likely to get h1n1, but it could be more deadly for them if they do. doctors have seen patients with upper respiratory problems and a doubly organ failure. their advice is to treat with antiviral medications, including tamiflu immediately. trace: crimes in south florida. the victims are not human. >> investigators say this is all

about horse meat and big money, in some cases paying $50 for one count. 18 horses have been butchered by an organized groups of poa butchers. trace: thank you. that is brand new information. in the meantime, voters are getting their chance to weigh in on the health care debate and make their voices heard by the lawmakers representing them in washington. md. senator cardin is holding a town hall meeting. >> a very patriotic crowd. these are the people that did not make it inside where senator cardin is holding the second town hall meeting of the week.

this is a more conservative part of the state. people started lining up early this morning. some of them stood in line for several hours. it was a very respectful and orderly crowd. some arguments in the crowd between supporters and opponents of health-care reform. we have a sampling of that for you. >> we do want reform. we do want people that are not insured to be injursured, but we do not need total takeover of the health care system. >> but when i asked the senator? drop us after 65 years from our health insurance plan. >> the opinions are strong on both sides. inside the health care forum senator cardin has distorted

with some questions. their hand written questions. after that, there will be staff members taking people for questions. that should be unscripted. senator cardin met with reporters a few moments before the town hall meeting started did he said he expected there to be disruptions, but he said this is important to get information out. trace: thank you. julie: it is a good thing one texas boy did not take his eyes off his grandfather. he knew exactly what to do when his grandpa was in killed by a piece of -- his mom wgrandpa was impaled with a case of wood. he called 911.

trace: the numbers show how support for the health care plan keeps falling. down another 5% in just two weeks. why is the president's plan losing steam? the white house says all these town hall meetings is just noise. is the so-called noise resonating? those answers are coming up in three minutes cko vo: i mean, i n the eyes - but don't let that take away from how geico's always there for you. gecko vo: first rule of "hard work equals success." gecko vo: that's why geico is consistently rated excellent or better in terms of financial strength. gecko vo: second rule: "don't steal a coworker's egg salad, 'specially if it's marked "the gecko." come on people. caused by a completely blocked artery,

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julie: welcome back to the "live desk." in the top box, congressman rothman is holding a health care town hall meeting. in the middle box, on wall street, the numbers are doing well could up almost one-third the on the dow. this as we await the fed's decision on a key interest rate. in bottom box, wildfires raging

in northern and central california. the wildfires are inching closer to nearby branches. trace: american approval for health care reform is dropping quickly. we have been monitoring town hall meetings across the country. rahm emanuel says the protesters are all just noise. he told captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- -- he told "the new york times" do not associate loud with effectiveness. take a look at the drop. it is down 5% in just the past two weeks. the spokesman for newt gingrich and the former special assistant and speechwriter to president bill clinton. josh, something is moving the health care and leganeedle.

>> if you spend enough money on negative ads, and send people into these meetings, you'll drive down the numbers. ultimately what will happen is the truth will get out. the president has not even begun to use the bully pulpit yet. i think the numbers will come back. trace: arlen specter said today -- trace: he went on to say that he does not think that people disrupting town hall meetings are representative of american, but they should be heard. date polls show that they are representative of americans. >> of course it is representative of america.

who do they think is showing up? these are mostly senior citizens. they are not republicans or democrats. the reason the left is confused about all this is because people do not want a group of government experts determining the value of life. rahm emanuel's brother wrote a paper on this that came out last month. it was called "the principles of allocation for scarce medical resources. they allocate weight factors to the booth value of a person's life. the use a complete season -- is a complete system. >> these are exactly the kind of lies -- >> it is not a lie. what is the lie? >> the republicans are making up

lies and tried to stand in the way. when premiums have more than doubled and they're raising premiums -- trace: what is the lie? >> rahm emanuel's brother wrote a doctrine, "the principles of allocation for scarce medical resources." that is not a lie. he bwrote it. >> i appreciate you spe inning. trace: a lot of doctors have said this. if you're going to cover everybody, you cannot have it both ways. something has got to give.

demand and supply. >> the president made it clear yesterday that any talk about euthanasia is totally ridiculous. what is in the plan is to the people quality, affordable health care, and to give them a choice. that is what republicans should want. this in powers more people. this gives more people health care coverage. by the end of the day, it will get more people coverage. trace: congressman rothman in the bottom box and senator cardin at the top. the president gathered everyone in march. it was one big group hug. a couple of months later, the health insurance companies were the villains. is he going to have to change the message again to get americans on board with this? >> americans will not be on

board with this. >> 40 million americans have no health insurance. their premiums have doubled in the last 8 years. >> in "the wall street journal" 8 common-sense ideas that were all rejected by the obama administration. >> let's be very clear. >> there are lots of ways to drive down cost. i agree and so does the president about reducing costs. that is why he struck deals with hospitals and pharmaceutical companies. we all agree we have to get the cost down. trace: nobody knows how to pay for this. that is one of the big problems. >> but the president has said it will not add a dime to the deficit. >> $1 trillion plan -- who is going to pay for it? >> because you get savings over

the long term. >> 73 million baby burdenboomerl enter the system. trace: this gives you an idea of why the debate is what it is across the country. gentlemen, thank you. julie: a recent high-speed police chase in california leaves an innocent family in shambles. it began over a traffic violation. we will ask a criminal expert, when does this edition called for a high-speed pursuit? a new study showing aspirin could be a wonder drug when it comes to survive in some types of cancer. and the chemist also synthesized another pharmaceutical. this one is also . are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement or annuity over 10 or even 20 years?

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julie: police chases often seem like a necessary evil. it often ends up putting innocent people in danger. take a look at this police chase from tuesday in southern california. a traffic infraction sparks the police chase. it went on for over one hour. the suspect was arrested without further incident. just a few days before, a similar police chase ended in a tragedy near fresno. the suspect slammed into a family as their driving to a football game. all five children were killed. the parents were seriously injured. the community is devastated. very gains -- larry gains.

i wanted the the history of the family so we remember the people we lost. this mother and father are without their five children to the mother is in such grave condition right now that the family is holding off on telling her the devastating news that all her children are dead for fear that her health might not make it through. this all started after a police officer saw a gray dodge neon run a stop sign. discarded 80 miles per hour. why are there not -- >> varies from jurisdiction. i have known some agencies that have a policy of no pursuit at all. a city had a policy that you would not pursue more than 20 miles over the speed limit.

it varies in terms of what they have been active in their policies. julie: the children were aged one to eight. the police chase said that the five-year veteran officer has been put on paid administrative leave, but the preliminary investigation shows proper procedure was followed. an officer can consider many factors to decide if it is safe to continue. how is this safe, traveling at over 80 miles per hour in a rural area? >> if there is so much in these different department policies. one of the things in place the farmer should have been its policy, any time an officer initiates a pursuit, it should be approved by a supervisor.

when a police officer initiates in pursuit, he or she gets emotionally involved. the emotions overwrite reality were good decisions sometimes. is it best to have another party makes the decision. julie: i understand that he did call for the california state patrol to bring out a helicopter trip at that time, that is when the car ran the second stop sign and kill the entire group of children. the chase carried on for four miles. at what point -- when you are going 80 miles per hour and not making any progress, when does the police officer makes the decision to stop? are there any crimes that you believe would justify these types of speeds? >> a lot of times it depends on the environment. are you in a heavy populated

area or not? when you have someone driving 80 miles per hour of recklessly and you have a police officer chasing him, that means of two cars recklessly driving 80 miles per hour down the road. as sometimes, you have to make decisions about breaking off the chase. someone might get away today. we have their license number. we will get them tomorrow. julie: big deal. let them go, if it saves an entire family, it is not worth it. thank you. trace: none of those children was wearing a seatbelt. julie: four of them were ejected from the pickup truck. seven people inside the pickup truck through we will wait for the family to explain more. trace: a new study shows aspirin may help patients survive colorectal cancer. it could cut the risk of death by 1/3 to 1/2.

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- trace: we begin with breaking news. in eden prarie, minn., a airplane took off and apparently the twin-engine airplane started wobbling. it began turning back to the airport and then fell out of the sky. the airplane crashed. we do not know if anybody was inside the house at the time did we know that both people on board the airplane were killed. julie: we want to welcome everybody back to the "live desk." trace: i am trace gallagher.

brand new stories and breaking news. in the top box, senator cardin holding a town hall meeting in maryland. in the middle box, congressman rothman holding a meeting in new jersey. in bottom box, town hall meetings on the west coast. what do you know? >> we were at a huge town hall meeting just east of downtown los angeles. this one was held by california democratic blue dog adam shift. the crowd was about 50/50 in favor and against the health care reform plan. folks were passionate, loud, and feisty. some people had to be removed by police. overall, it was pretty peaceful. a little bit of shouting and pushing and shoving.

the debate got pretty heated. in the end, a couple people walked away disappointed because they did not to have their questions asked. there was only so much time for questioning. trace: thank you. julie: a major correction for president obama from a very influential group in the health- care battle trea. aarp says the president went too far in his town hall meeting yesterday when he said this. >> we have the aarp onboard because they know this is a good deal for the seniors. [applause] julie: the white house has just responded. mike emanuel joins us from the white house. >> the white house has had a lot of complaints about disinformation. in this case, robert gibbs said president obama was not trying to mislead the public.

>> aarp has said they are certainly supportive and have been for years on comprehensive health care reform. i do not think the president meant to imply anything untoward. >> he said the president misspoke, but did not intentionally. it does not sound like they're very upset about it. overall, aarp has been helpful to the white house health-care reform. if there is a final bill, if they can get aarp on board, that will be a big event. at this point, they say they're on board with the idea of fixing health care. they have not endorsed a specific bill. julie: we have seen some pretty fierce town hall meetings with members of congress. aarp has had its own heated discussions with members.

>> that is right. a lot of older americans are worried about what it will mean for their benefits. we have seen aarp members getting in the faces of their leadership and tearing up their leadership cards. we have seen a lot of that from aarp meetings. trace: the president's plan to overhaul health care breaking in a projected $1.8 trillion deficit for this year. breaking that down, that is nearly $39,000 for every man, woman, and child in america. new "the wall street journal" article finding 8 ways to reform health care without adding to the deficit. we cannot get through all of

them. we picked three. this one is -- trace: in other words, you raise the deductibles, and then you can lower the everyday cost. >> these are two related but different ideas. there might be political support for making it easier. in a way, this is in keeping with the things that even democrats are talking about. health savings accounts have become a loaded term. the bush administration never got very far. it is kind of the flip side of the debate we're having now. i think you can separate those two ideas and get some traction. trace: a lot of people have talked about this. it says -- trace: it kind of goes to the

old open bar theory. if you pay for the drink, you are watching that drink. if you go to a buffet, you try everything. >> this is interesting to did this is consistent with something that is discussed now in the health care reform. having an insurance exchange which puts more options before more consumers all across the country, not to states that have higher populations. that is something that everyone can agree that might hold down the cost of health care insurance for everybody. however, it cuts against the impulse to tell insurers that they have to offer so many options in every plan the offer. this is an idea that everybody might agree with trade when you get to the details, there will be some divide between democrats and republicans. trace: we have four boxes to

talk about the different town hall meetings going on across the country. we are watching those to see if any news comes out of those. the third one is this. trace: here is a brilliant one. make cost a transparent so consumers understand what health care treatments cost. how much is it to get a check up? i do not know. how much is the bar of soap of the hospital? nobody has any idea. >> it is odd to talk about things that actually have broad agreement. everyone agrees that if people do not have any idea how much health care costs, they do not know how they should be economizing. one thing you have to do is tell people how much does it cost. someone who worked in the

clinton health-care reform told me the exact same thing. this is somebody making the argument from the left. one of the problems is that people do not have any idea but it cost to them and their employer. until you can do that, you cannot analyze the alternatives. that is a big flaw. everybody agrees with that. trace: the funny thing is, if it is not covered by your insurance, the doctor will make sure you know how much it cost. if it is covered by insurance, they just do it. they do not care. they just kill somebody else -- they just bill somebody else. thank you. julie: the taliban under attack in southern afghanistan today. fighting to secure a crucial

town, and this is the first time since the war began that nato forces have ever set foot in this area. why is this town so crucial? why the attack today? >> united states and its partners in afghanistan are spending a lot of time and money to make sure that next week's elections are fair and free. there's a concern that the election will be boycotted or there will be afghans unable to vote who want to vote, or afghan is better prevented from voting. today's push into helmund, they want to push the taliban out of this area. they want to show the afghans that they can vote next week. julie: thank you very much.

trace: in minutes, the federal reserve will weigh in. they are set to announce a major decision that will affect everyone of us. they're deciding whether to change a key interest rate. it is a tiny number that could help or hurt our recovery. if the recession is easing, how bad will the recovery be? the details are next. is what i need

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trace: there is breaking news. that is a look at the dow, which is up 130. the fed will make its decision. the federal reserve is expected to keep it cheap. the fed will wrap up a very important policy meeting. there will probably make the decision in about 30 seconds. will that change rates? >> there will not change anything. the language will have to change. in june, they'll talk about higher oil prices. i am curious if they will bring up commercial real estate. first it was residential. now we are talking about office buildings.

that my the issue that drops now. trace: there are lots of signs that say residential real estate has not improved yet. even as the recession is over, it is the recovery that is so painful. >> they will have to talk about unemployment. there will have to bring up commercial real estate. the problem with the issue of unemployment, if people do not have jobs, they still will miss a mortgage payment. if housing does not come back, you will not see a true economic recovery. most people believe that the official end of the recession will be the end of the second quarter. but did things get better for everybody at home? do you feel better about your job? is your savings better? they have gotten better. trace: we still think the unemployment rate could go to

close to 10% to a lot of people still may lose their jobs. >> the unemployment numbers are lagging indicators for the markets. we will see unemployment probably go higher. the administration has admitted this. luckily, the market will trend higher. one thing about the stock market today -- the fed is leading the rate unchanged. they're leaving it in the low range. this is the amount that banks lend to each other, the fed funds target rate. anywhere from 0% to 0.25%. trace: the fed has left both the rates unchanged. there is no change. if you want to refinance your house and you're looking for a mortgage, how does this affect you?

>> i need to get a loan, i need to buy a new car, or i need financing to get a new car -- all of those things depend on the fed's position. they're leaving it alone. we have yet to hear the statement. trace: the fed said the economy is leveling out, or made remain weak for some time. >> they said it will remain weak for some time. this tells you that the rates will stay right where they are for quite a long time. you can almost guarantee it until next year. trace: consumer spending is stabilizing, but will show greater restraint in the months to come. >> consumer spending is 2/3 of the economy. you need consumer spending to keep the economy growing, or at least not contracting any more. from what you are telling me, it is a little more positive than the june statement. that is good.

the timing of all of this -- if the word risk is in this -- >> they have not. they just said that they think interest rates will remain low for refinancing and mortgages. when you talk about a recovery, that's a good thing. >> that is absolutely a good thing. a lot of the business owners want to start to rehire. if that happens, more people will get jobs. they can go out and get the loan and maybe start to spend a little bit. trace: a lot to show you how this works. we have all these monitors all the way around the newsroom. this is how we do this. we wait and then in my ear, the producer says, this is what the fed chairman said. it is kind of like surgery.

>> it is. the little magic voice. trace: bernanke, does he stay or does he go? >> most economists believe he is doing a good job. they think he will get another term. trace: if you do not have fbn, demand it. julie: a troubling and terrible crime in florida. ranch owners are army themselves. someone is butchery horses. quality and reliability...

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trace: in the top box, dow is up 128. the fed left a key interest rates unchanged. the fed chairman thinks interest rates will remain low for quite some time. in the middle box, we are keeping our eye on health care town hall meetings. in new jersey, congressman rothman is holding a meeting. in bottom box, hundreds of survivors in taiwan are left stranded after a typhoon hit that area. julie: a gruesome crime in

miami. what you are about to see is brutal. the only way to convey what is happening is to show you. someone has been killing horses in south florida. 18 horses so far. >> investigators say that this is all about horse meat and some very fast money. in parts of florida, people will buy it for $20 per lb to $40 per pound. authorities say they're well organized and work fast. there's doubt in people's pastors do they know when those horses are left alone. >> in miami dade county, since early january, 18 horses have been slaughtered. horse owners are very different

group of people. they say horses are family and they will protect their own. >> i have the right to defend myself. >> what do you mean? >> i'm going to shoot him. >> this is where they dismembered him. >> investigators an organized group is moving past, sneaking onto private farms overnight and 17 healthy horses. >> this product is extremely popular in our community. there's a monstrous demand for it. >> horse owners said people need to see the brutality of what is happening. police say they are making progress in the investigation, but need more help from neighbors. >> we are dealing with rural areas. there are not a lot of people around. it is not impossible, but it is

difficult to develop eyewitness leads. >> since 2007, by ian and celine horse meat in the united states has been illegal. the cops say they are working hard. in the meantime, at least this one lady and a whole lot more say they're walking around at night. some say they're spending the night in their barns with guns. they said it will not take this lying down. julie: as an animal rights advocate myself and a vegetarian, and hearing the story makes my blood boil. this woman said that this she saw somebody step onto her ranch in there more to hurt her horse, she would shoot them. what do the police say about if somebody were to fire back?

are they going to be charged? are they protected because they're protecting their property? >> this lady that we spoke with, and others say that they have read the law in florida. as they understand it, they can ask someone on the property to leave once. if they do not leave, they can take care of business. the police say they're working hard. a lot of these horse owners have installed surveillance cameras. they are taking precautions. i have talked to these people. they are not kidding. as you said, these folks who own horses, there is completely different type of individual. they say they're protecting their family. julie: thank you very much.

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in some cases, mexican families here are will wiring money to relatives in u.s. -- are wiring money to relatives in the u.s.. trace: there is an interesting possible link between obesity and the h1n1 virus. let's get to the university of michigan. >> to be a recommendation coming from the cdc, the obese population needs to move to the front of the line when the vaccine comes out and is available to the public this year. that is because doctors say that their immune systems do not fight the virus as well. in some cases they are suffering from severe respiratory complications. trace: could the canadian health care system work here? let's ask window. >> the critics of health care

reform say that the canadian health-care system is being used as a bogeyman, but experts say the systems are becoming more and more like with the expansion of medicare and medicaid and the growth of private services in canada. the problem is that medicaid coverage limits will be cut, and seniors will not like that. trace: brand new information at the bottom of the hour, thank you. the battle of health care reform, lots of the debate is over what happens at the end of life. some opponents say that it will lead us down a path to euthanasia. the president of the aarp says that those rumors are false. for many people the biggest medical bills come during the final years. how will cost saving reforms of fact and of care -- the fact -- o effect and that of care?

do these past statements not give fuel to the fire? >> we have all heard the sad story of his grandmother, battling terminal cancer. she fell. she needed a hip replacement. he said that he would have paid the costs out of his own pocket for her, but he said was a much more difficult question to ask a society should do it. "that's where i think that you get into some difficult moral issues. but that is a huge driver of cost. i mean, the chronically ill and those before the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80% of the total health care bill out there." they have grave concerns that any support for health-care reform packages would include something that might hurt them in the long term.

trace: how could the issue of cost play out for senior citizens? >> as you mentioned, there is an estimate that about one-third of the medicare fiscal budget went to patients in the final years of life. we are talking about billions of dollars. seniors know that those last years of life of the most expensive. if lawmakers think that there is a way to cut those costs at the end of life and a way to shave billions off of medicare, there are concerns that it could come off of the cost of treatment. trace: if these town halls are any indication, i am guessing that proponents of the proposal are not about to let this issue go away. >> absolutely. they will concede that when you look at the plain language of the health bill, discussing end of life decisions, that it is straightforward language. but they say that that must be

taken into the context of a bill that is aimed at cutting costs. >> what it is aimed at is reducing costs. when you see the president talking about how seniors especially helped to raise the cost of the health care system, you see people's quality of life tied to the cost of a government. then you are creating problems. >> we continue to see this issue pop up in town halls, another day of seniors being very concerned. trace: thank you, shannon. juliet: the economy is stabilizing a bit, but expect it to be weak for some time. if you are looking for a job, it could be rough for some time. fired to hired, how you can bounce back. torrey, thank you for talking to us. or five steps involve social

media, which has become quite a networking site. let's begin with tip no. 1 and where we should go. >> you have got to embrace social media and create a profile today. that is important. people hire people. the more people that you can connect with, the better off that you will be. i like linkedin.com. the thing that i like best about that is that there is a feature that enables you to have a public profile. juliet: like a resin i on the internet, so employers looking for employees will be looking for prospective hires? >> that is right. in addition, let's say that we worked together. i could post a profile about how much i love working with you. >juliet: what if there was a co- worker that did not like you?

>> it can still be a great way to reconnect and have these public references posted. in addition, i love facebook. it allows us to use our status update. instead of telling people that we are going for coffee -- juliet: which is what it was meant for, i think. people thought they were just putting up mindless updates that i do not think most people care about. now they are using it for networking. >> exactly. let's say that i am a graphic designer, i could refer anyone that needs graphic design work. in addition to that, perhaps i am looking for a position as an accountant. looking for a position where anyone who knows worked in the big four accounting firms. a great way to get all of those people to apply to you.

juliet: people look for a number of people that are following them on twitter. >> one of the other benefits are being able to follow companies. if i want to get a job here, i would look up every single personality, even in turns, and i would follow those people. it is the way to get to know about the culture of an organization. there are a lot of companies where twitter is the king. if i wanted to work there, i would follow those companies. sometimes you get a quicker response that way. juliet: people will actually make friends with complete strangers on twitter. you never know if that person could be a co-worker in the future. >> strategic, exactly. juliet: twitter, you are on

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trace: there is breaking news coming out of alaska, it involves sarah pavement. a judge has just use that the governor's office can use private e-mail accounts to conduct state business, as sarah payments sometimes did. remember, someone sued a resident of anchorage saying that if the government could use a private e-mail account, it would deny the right to inspect public records. judge jack smith said that there is no provision in the state law that prohibits the use of private e-mail accounts when conducting state business. the judge said if that were to be changed, it would be up to the legislature to change it.

the governor's office can use private e-mail accounts to conduct public business. in the meantime, in the top box, sonia sotomayor paying a visit to the white house. she is grateful to the nation for a likely rise. in the middle box, ubs, the swiss banking giant has agreed -- reached an agreement involved -- in a case involving tax evasion. and 60,000 americans were believed to be holding billions of dollars in swiss accounts. the details will be under wraps until sometime next week. in the bottom, pirates in the gulf of aden, attacking turkish commandos. juliet: the fbi, police, search dogs, fanning out today,

searching for a missing 5-year- old. investigators doubt that she could have gone very far on his own -- that he could have gone out on his own very far. he suffers from some liberal policy and he has difficulty walking. >> the search is actually focusing on a park not far from where he disappeared. he had been sitting in his foster father is a bmw. when he came back, the little boy was gone. right now you are looking live at the pictures coming in of the search that is going on in the park. we are understanding that this is the park not far from where he disappeared. there was an extensive search in the home of that foster parent and his fiancee.

they sat and watched as they searched through the night and removed bags of evidence. fbi response teams were not exactly able to say today what they wanted from the house, or what they were looking for. they have put out a tip line. just today, an addendum, call 911 if you think that the child is in trouble. this has gone from a situation where they thought they had a tip line, now it is if you spot the child, 911 should be called immediately. there is the information for the oakland county police department. i have been speaking to police officers in the area where the little boy disappeared. they are focusing on a park. they have not turned up anything. whenever they think they have something, they move fast and furious. as soon as something breaks on the story, we will bring it to you.

3 feet tall, 30 pounds, the little one that you described, wearing leg braces. they say that he could not have gone far. if no one is taking care of him, he will be hungry and scared. we hope that they will find him. back to you. julie: did the police give you an indication as to why they feel that something had gone wrong? was there any evidence or a sign of a struggle? anything about where the little boy disappeared? >> they could not tell me much. but the inference was that they were there at the home for some time. it might also be the amount of time he has been missing. we are coming up on the end of a 48 hours band. 48 hours since he vanished. possibly something that they found when they searched the

foster parents' house. we will be searching all over on this one. julie: a very sad story. thank you. trace: talking about swine flu this week? we hear that it is coming back and it could be much worse. now, time for factor fiction. swine flu is worse than the regular flu? that answer and many more facts, they are inundating our web site. dr. manny alvarez has done a great job with this. you want fact or fiction? do not freak out, go to fox news for all of the answers on swine flu. next, and we will be going through facts and myths. are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert

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trace: seven minutes until the top of the hour, we have a live look at the white house. the president is going to award medals to multiple recipients, including party milk. in the middle, wildfires raging in northern california and central california. flames inching forward towards national -- nearby ranches. in the bottom, the dow jones is up by triple digits today. the fed has left the key interest rate unchanged. julie: we asked you before the break, is swine flu worse than the regular flu? fact or myth? all right, swine flu, worse than the regular flu? >> nothing to indicate that so

far. 30,000 americans die from regular influenza every year. only 3000 have died from swine flu. julie: so, it seems like because it is new we have built up all of this type that it is more deadly? >> right. not that it is more deadly, but this is the first time that we are seeing it and we do not know how it will play out once the fall season comes along. julie: is this a myth or a fact? i should rush to the emergency room if i have symptoms. >> that is a myth. contact your regular doctor. if you have an underlying condition, maybe go to the emergency room, but it will be a breeding ground. you may leave with the swine flu. julie: if i am pregnant, do i

get the vaccine or stay away? >> and get the vaccine. swine flu has been shown to cause brain damage to unborn babies. 6% of the deaths last -- this year to swine flu have been attributed to being found in pregnant women. if you are pregnant or you think you are going to become pregnant, you should be the first in line. julie: apparently you have to be in a certain age group? someone in their mid-30s will not be in line first? >> that is right, it will be given to health care rigour -- health care workers, kids, and the elderly first. julie: doctor, thank you very much. trace: remember, go to foxnews.com. the key word is h1n1, you will

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julie: thank you for watching, everybody. trace: great to see you. great to have you back tomorrow. "studio b," right now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- shepard: harsh words from a democratic senator, blasting the protesters. more on the debate coming out of the white house. all that and more. in box number one, one of the most dangerous places on a planet earth. we are told that hundreds of u.s. marines are launching a new end bloody offensive against the taliban. -- launching a new and bloody offensive against the taliban. no. 2, it is called the biggest gem heist in british history. gem heist in british history.